Island Man

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  That's it! The Jesus stories are most reasonably explained as myth. History makes this obvious.

  by Island Man in

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  2. bible

  a careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that jesus is just another one of several similar myths.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7teoa9ark.

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  Island Man

  A careful examination of the historical pagan religious context existing at the time of the genesis of christianity leads any reasonable person to conclude that Jesus is just another one of several similar myths.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7TEoA9ark
  
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  "So that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked..."

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "so that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked how our work is financed.".

  this damning quote is found on page 1 of the september 2015 our kingdom ministry, the last sentence in the 3rd bullet point under the sub-heading how to do it.

  this quote amounts to an implicit admission that the jw practice of mentioning the donation arrangement to householders at the door, makes them look like door to door salesmen.. why would "jehovah's organization" be engaging in a practice that is nothing more than a transparent attempt at undercover soliciting?

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  Wow that's a 180 degree turn.

  No, not really. They're only saying this for business territory.
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  Need advice: Intimacy with my wife almost non existint because she considers me an apostate

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just on of the perks of being an apostate who is married to a branwashed, blinded jw woman.

  you know, we have been married for ~27 years....most of which we had nothing to do with the piece of shite cult.

  up till the begining of 2014 was when i woke up.

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  Of course, it is also possible that she can't help it. She may have an involuntary aversion to being intimate with you due to Watchtower programming about apostates being "satan's helpers". Watchtower programming may have destroyed her attraction to you, as such attraction may have been significantly rooted in your status as a spiritual man. What woman wants to have sex with a demon?
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  Need advice: Intimacy with my wife almost non existint because she considers me an apostate

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just on of the perks of being an apostate who is married to a branwashed, blinded jw woman.

  you know, we have been married for ~27 years....most of which we had nothing to do with the piece of shite cult.

  up till the begining of 2014 was when i woke up.

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  Island Man

  You know, in the old days an invading force would get a battened down fortified city to surrender by starving the inhabitants into surrendering. They would surround the city to ensure that no outside food can enter. Things get so desperate that eventually the inhabitants start eating each other and the soldiers get too weak to fight. Then they surrender or the invading force thinks they're weak enough to launch a successful attack with little or no resistance.

  Now if your wife is starving you sexually, maybe it's a similar tactic. Maybe she's hopeful that by starving you it will cause you to find some "food" elsewhere and when you do so, BAM! "I want a divorce!". She has gotten herself scripturally out of a marriage with an apostate and is free to marry an upstanding elder or ministerial servant.
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  "So that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked..."

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "so that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked how our work is financed.".

  this damning quote is found on page 1 of the september 2015 our kingdom ministry, the last sentence in the 3rd bullet point under the sub-heading how to do it.

  this quote amounts to an implicit admission that the jw practice of mentioning the donation arrangement to householders at the door, makes them look like door to door salesmen.. why would "jehovah's organization" be engaging in a practice that is nothing more than a transparent attempt at undercover soliciting?

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  I think this is specific to "Business Territory" because the part is titled
  Improving Our Skills in the Ministry—Witnessing in Business Territory

  True. But if mentioning the donation arrangement makes them sound like salesmen in the business territory then wouldn't it also make them sound like door to door salesmen in door to door territory? Why would true christians out to preach the good news be engaged in any tactics that cause them to be confused for salesmen? How is it that their normal tactics do not result in a clear enough distinction between one serving Jehovah and one who is a salesman?
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  "So that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked..."

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "so that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked how our work is financed.".

  this damning quote is found on page 1 of the september 2015 our kingdom ministry, the last sentence in the 3rd bullet point under the sub-heading how to do it.

  this quote amounts to an implicit admission that the jw practice of mentioning the donation arrangement to householders at the door, makes them look like door to door salesmen.. why would "jehovah's organization" be engaging in a practice that is nothing more than a transparent attempt at undercover soliciting?

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  "So that we will not be confused with salesmen, it is best not to mention the donation arrangement unless we are asked how our work is financed."

  This damning quote is found on page 1 of the September 2015 Our Kingdom Ministry, the last sentence in the 3rd bullet point under the sub-heading How to do it. This quote amounts to an implicit admission that the JW practice of mentioning the donation arrangement to householders at the door, makes them look like door to door salesmen.

  Why would "Jehovah's Organization" be engaging in a practice that is nothing more than a transparent attempt at undercover soliciting? Why are they engaging in a practice that they know full well makes them look like door to door salesmen - especially in light of what 2 Corinthians 2:17 saying:

  ...we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are...

  When a JW goes out of his way to mention the voluntary donation arrangement just at the point that the householder accepts the literature, and thus serving as a means of subtly soliciting money from the householder, can he honestly say that he is not peddling Watchtower literature?

  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150915105808AALNaun
  

  
  

  
  
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  Does Jehovah control the weather? (Pharaoh's dream - 7 years of famine)

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to the scriptures, jehovah makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.

  - matthew 5:45. in that case, if we look at the account in genesis, god is shown to give pharaoh a dream that he will cause seven years of famine.. genesis 41: pharaohs dreams.

  25 then joseph said to pharaoh, the dreams of pharaoh are one and the same.

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  According to the bible he does. But according to Watchtower spin he does not micromanage the weather but has put natural laws and cycles in motion from which weather events emerge. They say that texts that speak of God doing things don't really mean he literally does them - just that he permits them to happen. So he doesn't make the rain fall on the wicked and the righteous like the bible actually says, no, he merely permits the rain to fall on the righteous and wicked alike.

  In Watchowerland the bible does not always mean what it says. It always means what Watchtower says.
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  Watchtard Dancing Around the Word "Rapture"

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there were so many things wrong with this weeks watchtower, its hard to pick one, but one that really bothered me was this watchtower business and their delivery.

  i have never seen them quite have to explain something away like this in a study article like this before.

  shows me they are battling people feeling confused.

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  The way they dance around the world rapture is very reminiscent of the way they dance around the word creationist. The truth is they do believe in the rapture. See the definition of the word.

  rap·ture

  ˈrapCHər/

  noun

  1. 1.

     a feeling of intense pleasure or joy.

     "Leonora listened with rapture"

     synonyms:

     ecstasy, bliss, exaltation, euphoria, elation, joy, enchantment, delight,happiness, pleasure "she gazed at him in rapture"
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  NORTH AMERICAN

  (according to some millenarian teaching) the transporting of believers to heaven at the Second Coming of Christ.
verb
NORTH AMERICAN
1. 1.

   (according to some millenarian teaching) transport (a believer) from earth to heaven at the Second Coming of Christ.




There is nothing about the word rapture that says christians must ascend with their body of flesh. In fact some hollywood portrayals of the rapture show the clothes of the raptured being left behind, suggesting that their physical bodies dematerialized and that they thus went to heaven as spirits.

I suspect the real reason they refuse to use the word rapture, is pride. For too long they have been condemning christendom's rapture teaching as being false so for them to come now and use the word rapture would involve them having to eat humble pie and admit that christendom was right. They can't stomach that so they find some meaningless technicality as an excuse not to humble themselves and use the very word they once shunned.

It's the same dishonest tactic they use to deny the fact that they're Creationists. Just because some Creationists believe in a young earth, they use that as an argument to deny that JWs are Creationists - as if all Creationists believe in a young earth. Here too, the real reason they deny that they are Creationists is pride. Creationism in all its forms - not just young earth Creationism - has been so thoroughly debunked and ridiculed that they are disowning the label. Rather than proudly being ridiculed for the truth of who they are they rather pretend that they're something else.

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